WASHINGTON—U.S. Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), a member of the U.S. Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, on Wednesday questioned U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on President Trump’s Fiscal Year 2026 skinny budget request for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Murphy pressed Kennedy on broken promises made during his confirmation hearing and accused him of misleading the Committee and the public about his support for vaccines, especially for the measles vaccine.

“I want to talk to you about the statements that you made to the Chairman of this committee and to members of this committee during your confirmation hearing about vaccines,” said Murphy. “You did not tell the truth. I find that to be really dangerous for our relationship. If I were the Chairman, who believes in vaccines and voted for you because he believed what you said about supporting vaccines, my head would be exploding. In the hearing, you told us ‘I will not work to impound, divert, or otherwise reduce any funding appropriated by Congress for the purpose of vaccination programs.’ That is not the truth. You have canceled $12 billion in public health grants to states. Whether you know this or not, that funding is used by the states in part to be able to administer and dispense information about vaccines.”

Murphy called out Kennedy for putting public health at risk by lying to Congress during his nomination hearing and spreading misinformation that undermines trust in vaccines: “You also promised Chairman Cassidy that the FDA would not change vaccine standards from ‘historical norms.’ But what happened as soon as you were sworn in? You announced new standards for vaccine approvals that you proudly referred to in your own press release as a radical departure from current practice. And experts say that that departure will delay approvals. You also said, specific to the measles vaccine, that you support the measles vaccine, but you have consistently been undermining the measles vaccine. You told the public that the vaccine wanes very quickly. You went on the Dr. Phil show and said the measles vaccine was never fully tested for safety. You said there was fetal debris in the measles vaccine.”

“Just this morning, in front of the House of Representatives, you also said that you in fact would not recommend that kids get vaccinated for measles,” Murphy continued. “You said you would just lay out the pros and cons. This is the summation of everything that you have said to compromise people's faith in the measles vaccine in particular. It is contrary to what you said before this committee. You said you support the measles vaccine, but then you have laid out a set of facts that are contested, and I will submit information for the record from experts who contest what you have said about the vaccine. And the result is to undermine faith in the vaccines. Kind of like saying ‘Listen, I think you should swim in that lake, but, you know, the lake is probably toxic, and there are probably a ton of snakes and alligators in that lake, but I think you should swim in it.’ Nobody is going to swim in that lake, if that's what you say. And so I want you to acknowledge that when you say you support the measles vaccine and then go out and repeatedly undermine the vaccine with information that is contested by public health experts, that is not supporting the vaccine.”

After Kennedy refused to say he supports the measles vaccine, Murphy concluded: “I think you’re answering the question, and that’s really dangerous for the American public and for families in this country. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is no longer recommending the measles vaccine.”

As of early May, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have confirmed over 1,000 measles cases across the country, making this the single largest measles outbreak in the 21st century. Those cases have led to 126 hospitalizations and three deaths.

A full transcript of Murphy’s exchange with RFK Jr. can be found below:

MURPHY: “Thank you very much, Madame Chair. Secretary Kennedy, I want to talk to you about your relationship with this committee and this Congress. I want to talk to you about the statements that you made to the Chairman of this committee and to members of this committee during your confirmation hearing about vaccines. You did not tell the truth. I find that to be really dangerous for our relationship. If I were the Chairman, who believes in vaccines and voted for you because he believed what you said about supporting vaccines, my head would be exploding.

“In the hearing, you told us ‘I will not work to impound, divert, or otherwise reduce any funding appropriated by Congress for the purpose of vaccination programs.’ That is not the truth. Let me finish my question.”

KENNEDY: “I didn’t hear what you said. I’m just asking you to repeat it so I can understand your question.”

MURPHY: “I’ll repeat it. During the hearing you said to this committee, and to the Finance Committee, ‘I will not work to impound, divert, or otherwise reduce funding appropriated by Congress for the purpose of vaccination programs.’ That is not what happened. You have done the opposite. You canceled $12 billion in grants to the states, including my state, that are used to administer and track vaccines. You promised Chairman Cassidy– ”

KENNEDY: “When did I do that?”

MURPHY: “Madam Chair, would you allow me to finish my question?”

MURKOWSKI: “Keep going with your question.”

KENNEDY: “When did I do that?”

MURPHY: “Let me finish my question.”

KENNEDY: “You’re making these accusations, just tell me when I did it so I can understand what the question is.”

MURPHY: “You have canceled $12 billion in public health grants to states. Whether you know this or not, that funding is used by the states in part to be able to administer and dispense information about vaccines. Mr. Secretary, let me give you the full panoply of things you said before this Committee that didn’t turn out to be true. You also promised Chairman Cassidy that the FDA would not change vaccine standards from ‘historical norms.’ But what happened as soon as you were sworn in? You announced new standards for vaccine approvals that you proudly referred to in your own press release as a radical departure from current practice. And experts say that that departure will delay approvals. You also said, specific to the measles vaccine, that you support the measles vaccine, but you have consistently been undermining the measles vaccine. You told the public that the vaccine wanes very quickly. You went on the Dr. Phil show and said the measles vaccine was never fully tested for safety. You said there was fetal debris in the measles vaccine. And this morning–”

KENNEDY: “All true! All true. Do you want me to lie to the public?”

MURPHY: “None of that is true.”

KENNEDY: “Of course it’s true. Of course it’s true, Senator. Senator, begging your pardon, but you do not know what you are talking about.”

MURKOWSKI: Let’s have a little bit of order so that you can get your question and that he can get his answer.

MURPHY: “I didn’t ask for a response yet. I’d like to lay out the predicate of my question before I’m interrupted by the witness. He should have some respect for this Committee.”

MURKOWSKI: “Go ahead.”

MURPHY: “Just this morning, in front of the House of Representatives, you also said that you in fact would not recommend that kids get vaccinated for measles. You said you would just lay out the pros and cons. This is the summation of everything that you have said to compromise people's faith in the measles vaccine in particular. It is contrary to what you said before this committee. You said you support the measles vaccine, but then you have laid out a set of facts that are contested, and I will submit information for the record from experts who contest what you have said about the vaccine. And the result is to undermine faith in the vaccines. Kind of like saying ‘Listen, I think you should swim in that lake, but, you know, the lake is probably toxic, and there are probably a ton of snakes and alligators in that lake, but I think you should swim in it.’ Nobody is going to swim in that lake, if that's what you say. And so I want you to acknowledge that when you say you support the measles vaccine and then go out and repeatedly undermine the vaccine with information that is contested by public health experts, that is not supporting the vaccine. 

“And so I guess I have two simple questions for you. One is, can you clarify what you said in the House this morning? Are you or are you not recommending that families get their children vaccinated? Or are you just giving people the pros and cons? And do you understand that when you say these things about the measles vaccine, what ends up happening is less people get the vaccine. That may be what you want, but do you understand that the result of constantly questioning the efficacy or safety of the vaccine results in less people getting the vaccine? I don't necessarily want to spend the remaining 20 seconds in an argument over the science. But do you at least understand that that is the consequence of what you are saying? And are you actually still recommending people get the vaccine or are you not?”

KENNEDY: “Senator, if I advise you to swim in a lake that I knew there to be alligators in, wouldn’t you want me to tell you there were alligators in it?”

MURPHY: “So are you recommending the measles vaccine or not?”

KENNEDY: “What I have said, and what I said in–”

MURPHY: “It doesn’t sound like you are, if that’s–”

KENNEDY: “Are you going to let me answer, or are you going to keep interrupting me?”

MURPHY: “Are you, or are you not?”

KENNEDY: “Are you going to let me answer? What I pledged before this committee during my confirmation is that I would tell the truth, and that I would have radical transparency. I’m going to tell the truth about everything we know and we don’t know about vaccines.”

MURPHY: “Are you recommending the measles vaccine or not?”

KENNEDY: “I am not going to just tell people everything is safe and effective if I know that there’s issues. I need to respect people’s intelligence.”

MURPHY: “I think you’re answering the question. I think you’re answering the question, and that’s really dangerous for the American public and for families in this country.”

KENNEDY: “The reason people have lost faith in this program is because they’ve been lied to by public officials for year after year after year.”

MURPHY: “The Secretary of Health and Human Services is no longer recommending the measles vaccine.”

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